This is purely from a recreational IFR perspective of switching to JeppView.
In other words, money, utility, and convenience are all important, in that
order.

Since starting my instrument training years ago, I have had a subscription
to the paper Jepp charts for the central region of the US. This is more
territory than I really need but the cheapest way to go with Jepp. I tried
NACO charts but I just didn't like them. I do purchase NACO charts when I do
trips beyond the coverage of my Jepp subscription.

I have been very happy with Jepp except for two gripes. First, of course,
the filing. Man, I hate that!! But, to go to a total replacement scheme is
just too expensive. Second, the coverage scheme that they have. Geez! Just
let me pick it state by state. Would that be so hard? No combination of the
smaller coverage areas worked for me. If I could, I would have chosen
Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan. That's all!

My solution for all these years was to file my chosen states and throw the
rest away. That would be North Dakota, South Dakota, all the way down to
Texas. As much as I hate filing, I love just throwing Texas away! Nothing
wrong with Texas - it's just that I've never been there and have no plans to
fly there. And, they get so many updates. It's ridiculous!

OK. I feel better! Thanks for listening!

I was planning to do a little trip over Thanksgiving (canceled due to
weather) so I was catching up on my filing. I spent 3 hours one evening. My
back was sore. My neck was sore. The next morning, I called Jepp and
switched my subscription to JeppView.

The coverage areas are the same so I still feel like I am paying for more
than I need but at least I don't have to deal with the filing. The price is
about the same so it is really a usage question. Carry around 40 pounds of
paper so that I have everything I need, without question, just in case...?
Or, print out selected charts based on the intended route and be a little
restricted if plans change once on the road?

Now that I've already made the decision, I would be interested in hearing
other peoples experience with switching.

What techniques do you use to print out the right charts? Do you really
print out charts for a corridor around the intended route? Or, just a few
selected airports entroute?

Have you been caught without the right charts because you were forced to
change your plans? Ever needed to make a fuel stop or a bathroom stop and
didn't have the right chart?

Do you have a copy of JeppView installed on PCs at several locations
(weekend cabin, partent's house, etc)? Or, do you carry a laptop around just
in case? I have my laptop with me most of the time. Have you ever scrounged
a printer so that you could print a couple more charts? Do FBOs try to
accomodate?

How many switched to JeppView and then went to a tablet PC of some sort so
that you don't have to print charts at all?

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Travis

"Travis Marlatte" > wrote in message
. net...
> This is purely from a recreational IFR perspective of switching to
> JeppView. In other words, money, utility, and convenience are all
> important, in that order.
>
> Since starting my instrument training years ago, I have had a subscription
> to the paper Jepp charts for the central region of the US. This is more
> territory than I really need but the cheapest way to go with Jepp. I tried
> NACO charts but I just didn't like them. I do purchase NACO charts when I
> do trips beyond the coverage of my Jepp subscription.
>
> I have been very happy with Jepp except for two gripes. First, of course,
> the filing. Man, I hate that!! But, to go to a total replacement scheme is
> just too expensive. Second, the coverage scheme that they have. Geez! Just
> let me pick it state by state. Would that be so hard? No combination of
> the smaller coverage areas worked for me. If I could, I would have chosen
> Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan. That's all!
>
> My solution for all these years was to file my chosen states and throw the
> rest away. That would be North Dakota, South Dakota, all the way down to
> Texas. As much as I hate filing, I love just throwing Texas away! Nothing
> wrong with Texas - it's just that I've never been there and have no plans
> to fly there. And, they get so many updates. It's ridiculous!
>
> OK. I feel better! Thanks for listening!
>
> I was planning to do a little trip over Thanksgiving (canceled due to
> weather) so I was catching up on my filing. I spent 3 hours one evening.
> My back was sore. My neck was sore. The next morning, I called Jepp and
> switched my subscription to JeppView.
>
> The coverage areas are the same so I still feel like I am paying for more
> than I need but at least I don't have to deal with the filing. The price
> is about the same so it is really a usage question. Carry around 40 pounds
> of paper so that I have everything I need, without question, just in
> case...? Or, print out selected charts based on the intended route and be
> a little restricted if plans change once on the road?
>
> Now that I've already made the decision, I would be interested in hearing
> other peoples experience with switching.
>
> What techniques do you use to print out the right charts? Do you really
> print out charts for a corridor around the intended route? Or, just a few
> selected airports entroute?
>
> Have you been caught without the right charts because you were forced to
> change your plans? Ever needed to make a fuel stop or a bathroom stop and
> didn't have the right chart?
>
> Do you have a copy of JeppView installed on PCs at several locations
> (weekend cabin, partent's house, etc)? Or, do you carry a laptop around
> just in case? I have my laptop with me most of the time. Have you ever
> scrounged a printer so that you could print a couple more charts? Do FBOs
> try to accomodate?
>
> How many switched to JeppView and then went to a tablet PC of some sort so
> that you don't have to print charts at all?
>
> -------------------------------
> Travis


I use Jeppview/FlightDeck with a Northstar CT1000 to display charts in the
airplane. I only print the charts for origin, destination and alternate.

Mike
MU-2

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:46:17 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> wrote:

>
>Now that I've already made the decision, I would be interested in hearing
>other peoples experience with switching.
>

I switched a number of years ago. I have coverage for eastern US and
eastern Canada. I keep up to date printouts for the 15-20 airports in my
usual flying area in a small Jepp binder.

On longer trips, I usually print out what I think I'll need. One trip we
had to cancel because, due to TRW, any deviation would take us over areas
for which I did not have printed charts.

In part because of that, I purchased a Motion 1400 tablet PC and now keep
JV also installed on that.

So far as multiple computers, the JV subscription allows you to have it on
two computers (but not use both at the same time).


--ron

JV subscription allows you to have it on four computers but I don't know how
that is enforced. I suspect it is by contract. But, for me, two would be OK.
Four is plenty.

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Travis
"Ron Rosenfeld" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:46:17 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Now that I've already made the decision, I would be interested in hearing
>>other peoples experience with switching.
>>
>
> I switched a number of years ago. I have coverage for eastern US and
> eastern Canada. I keep up to date printouts for the 15-20 airports in my
> usual flying area in a small Jepp binder.
>
> On longer trips, I usually print out what I think I'll need. One trip we
> had to cancel because, due to TRW, any deviation would take us over areas
> for which I did not have printed charts.
>
> In part because of that, I purchased a Motion 1400 tablet PC and now keep
> JV also installed on that.
>
> So far as multiple computers, the JV subscription allows you to have it on
> two computers (but not use both at the same time).
>
>
> --ron

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:33:43 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> wrote:

>JV subscription allows you to have it on four computers but I don't know how
>that is enforced. I suspect it is by contract. But, for me, two would be OK.
>Four is plenty.

You must have a different type of subscription than I do. My license reads
that I can only have it installed on two computers at the same time. It
states that in summary form in the manual; and here is the relevant text
from the license itself:

"Notwithstanding the foregoing, if the Software and Data are permanently
installed on the hard disk or other storage device of a single computer
(other than a network server which is strictly prohibited) that is used
only by Licensee, then Licensee may also install the Software and Data on
one additional ground-based computer, provided that there is no concurrent
use of the Software and Data on both computers by any person for any reason
whatsoever."


--ron

I just switched and I don't even have the package yet. Supposed to arrive
today. My comment was based on my direct question and the answer from the
person who took my order. A paraphrased quote of her answer: "You can
install it on four computer. Wait let me check. That may be two ground-based
and two-airborne computers. ... No. Four computers, wherever you want."

I don't know why they put such restrictions. I can understand a clause that
says something like, "Don't sell charts and don't let anyone else use this
software." But who cares how many places I have it installed as long as I am
the sole user. I'm getting better value. They aren't loosing any money.

--
-------------------------------
Travis
"Ron Rosenfeld" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:33:43 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> > wrote:
>
>>JV subscription allows you to have it on four computers but I don't know
>>how
>>that is enforced. I suspect it is by contract. But, for me, two would be
>>OK.
>>Four is plenty.
>
> You must have a different type of subscription than I do. My license
> reads
> that I can only have it installed on two computers at the same time. It
> states that in summary form in the manual; and here is the relevant text
> from the license itself:
> --ron

Travis Marlatte wrote:

> JV subscription allows you to have it on four computers but I don't know how
> that is enforced. I suspect it is by contract. But, for me, two would be OK.
> Four is plenty.

I think the machine has to connect with Jepp via the Internet at specified
intervals or it all goes TU.

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:33:43 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> > wrote:
>
> >JV subscription allows you to have it on four computers but I don't know how
> >that is enforced. I suspect it is by contract. But, for me, two would be OK.
> >Four is plenty.
>
> You must have a different type of subscription than I do. My license reads
> that I can only have it installed on two computers at the same time. It
> states that in summary form in the manual; and here is the relevant text
> from the license itself:
>
> "Notwithstanding the foregoing, if the Software and Data are permanently
> installed on the hard disk or other storage device of a single computer
> (other than a network server which is strictly prohibited) that is used
> only by Licensee, then Licensee may also install the Software and Data on
> one additional ground-based computer, provided that there is no concurrent
> use of the Software and Data on both computers by any person for any reason
> whatsoever."
>
> --ron

You probably haven't upgraded to 3.0.

Travis Marlatte wrote:

> I just switched and I don't even have the package yet. Supposed to arrive
> today. My comment was based on my direct question and the answer from the
> person who took my order. A paraphrased quote of her answer: "You can
> install it on four computer. Wait let me check. That may be two ground-based
> and two-airborne computers. ... No. Four computers, wherever you want."
>
> I don't know why they put such restrictions. I can understand a clause that
> says something like, "Don't sell charts and don't let anyone else use this
> software." But who cares how many places I have it installed as long as I am
> the sole user. I'm getting better value. They aren't loosing any money.

There has been a whole lot of JeppView sharing going on. Joe gives his two-week
old disk to Jim, and so on.

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 07:30:02 -0800, wrote:

>You probably haven't upgraded to 3.0.


No I have not. That's why I suggested that he might have a different type
than I.


--ron

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:19:07 GMT, "Travis Marlatte"
> wrote:

>I just switched and I don't even have the package yet. Supposed to arrive
>today. My comment was based on my direct question and the answer from the
>person who took my order. A paraphrased quote of her answer: "You can
>install it on four computer. Wait let me check. That may be two ground-based
>and two-airborne computers. ... No. Four computers, wherever you want."
>
>I don't know why they put such restrictions. I can understand a clause that
>says something like, "Don't sell charts and don't let anyone else use this
>software." But who cares how many places I have it installed as long as I am
>the sole user. I'm getting better value. They aren't loosing any money.

Perhaps the license is different with JV 3, if that is what you are
getting. I am still using JV2.




--ron

Nope. There is no technical restriction other than by contract of the
license.

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Travis
> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Travis Marlatte wrote:
>
>> JV subscription allows you to have it on four computers but I don't know
>> how
>> that is enforced. I suspect it is by contract. But, for me, two would be
>> OK.
>> Four is plenty.
>
> I think the machine has to connect with Jepp via the Internet at specified
> intervals or it all goes TU.
>

No doubt there has been a lot of sharing. What does that have to do with
restricting the number of PCs that I install their software on for my
personal use. I have 4 PCs in my house plus my laptop at work. I carry paper
charts around with me now when I am planning a flight. I just lost that
ability (legally) because some lawyer thinks that the appearance of
strictness will temper illegal acts at the expense of legitmate users.

Now that I have the new version in my hands, it allows me to install it on a
single ground-based computer but then says that I can install it on another
one. Geez, can't they count to two? I don't want to make money by selling
their charts. I don't want to cheat them by giving away charts. I just don't
want to have to uninstall it and re-install it every time I move from the
den to my office or the basement or the playroom or the bedroom.

The license section is many paragraphs long. It can be summarize in just a
few words, "Printed charts and software to be used only by licensee for
personal use."

By the way, that is completely different answer than the order taker gave
me. Nowhere does it say anything about 4 copies.

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Travis
> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Travis Marlatte wrote:
>
>> I just switched and I don't even have the package yet. Supposed to arrive
>> today. My comment was based on my direct question and the answer from the
>> person who took my order. A paraphrased quote of her answer: "You can
>> install it on four computer. Wait let me check. That may be two
>> ground-based
>> and two-airborne computers. ... No. Four computers, wherever you want."
>>
>> I don't know why they put such restrictions. I can understand a clause
>> that
>> says something like, "Don't sell charts and don't let anyone else use
>> this
>> software." But who cares how many places I have it installed as long as I
>> am
>> the sole user. I'm getting better value. They aren't loosing any money.
>
> There has been a whole lot of JeppView sharing going on. Joe gives his
> two-week
> old disk to Jim, and so on.
>

I just canceled my subscription. I had a subscription just for my
state
of California. After going up about 35% in 3 years, I said no more.

What are you doing to replace that service?

My flying is recreational and regularly touches 6 states. Northern IL, WI,
MN, Northern IN, MI, Central IA. It's regular enough that getting the
central coverage was the cheapest way for me to go. Fundamentally, I am
paying $400+ a year to have them tell me what has changed every couple of
weeks. Add to that the quality and dependability. I just can't seem to let
it go.
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Travis
"5pguy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I just canceled my subscription. I had a subscription just for my
> state
> of California. After going up about 35% in 3 years, I said no more.
>

Right now, I down load my plates off the AOPA website. Ihave
not flown IFR since I canceled my subscription. When I do my
6 approaches, I use the downloaded plates.

$400 a year. That's a lot. Don't know much about other subscriptions.
What about an electronic subscription? Print what you need, download
the udpates. Do that have this type of a subscription? You still take
with you in the plane a hardcopy.

$400 a year is for the electronic subscription. The paper and electronic are
about the same.

Since you can download the same information for free, that is why I said
that I am paying $400 a year so that they tell me what has changed.

Install the updated charts, filter the airport view to show only my
favorites and only the ones with charts that have changed. Sometimes, there
are none and I'm done. Otherwise, I highlight them all (remember only the
ones with updated charts are showing) and print them in a two-up format,
back to back. Then, I can just replace the entire airport for any that have
changed.

The only manually intensive part is taking the 8.5X11 pieces of paper and
cutting and punching them. But, since there are none and usually no more
than a few airports, even that doesn't take but a few minutes. The whole
process is much less effort than filing the paper subscriptions for many
states and a ton of airports that are outside of my usual flying area.

The only thing easier is using a tablet (PDA is nice as a backup but I'm not
willing to use it as a primary) in the cockpit and not printing anything
out. I'm not comfortable enough with not having a paper backup to spend the
money. If I'm going to have a paper backup anyway, I'll just use that for
primary navigation with no backup.
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Travis
"5pguy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Right now, I down load my plates off the AOPA website. Ihave
> not flown IFR since I canceled my subscription. When I do my
> 6 approaches, I use the downloaded plates.
>
> $400 a year. That's a lot. Don't know much about other subscriptions.
> What about an electronic subscription? Print what you need, download
> the udpates. Do that have this type of a subscription? You still take
> with you in the plane a hardcopy.
>